1809 Prometheus some ideas...

[svenskasfinx]

Hello all!

I thought I'd throw this asteroid into the mix because it feels as though it is an influence in my chart;

Prometheus 1809; Prometheus in mythology shows up in the story of Pandora 55; Prometheus is the Titian that against the will of the gods gave fire to man-kind, and was thus punished. (something about having his liver continuously ripped out by an eagle or something like that being that he is immortal, he goes through massive amounts of pain every day, and yet regenerates to have it all happen again the next day..)


some links

plato-dialogues.org/tools/char/promethe.htm

thanasis.com/modern/pro01.htm

It is kind of interesting; its definately something to think about.. with the connection between Chiron and Pandora I had to look it up just to see where it was.

Anyone else have Pandora 55 strong in the chart and find 1809 Prometheus also strongly placed?

I was working on the muses when this came up, I still have yet to do anything besides gather my thoughts on that topic, but so far, it has been an interesting exploration for me.. just kind of long and indepthed.. this was just a simple observation.

any interesting ideas?

svenskasfinx

[BodaciousBabe]

Hi Svenskasfinx,

My Pandora sits at the very top of my chart within a complex stellum so I'd say she's pretty prominant--I was only made aware of this recently, through this forum.

She semi-sextiles Prometheus and aspects both my Chrion/Eros conjunction and Mars.

I, too am an artist, (actually, just being an alive human being makes one an artist, ) and have been working on the Muses, but right now that's very painful to me and I've been avoiding studying it further. One can only process so much, even with an 8th house Gemini/Sun and Mercury!

But it does seem that everytime I've let Pandora open her box, I create havoc and hurt others and am deeply hurt personally, or I allow someone to "put a lid on me." I learned to keep a pretty tight lid on her myself to try to avoid the hurt. Boy, what a HUGE mistake.

It is all tied into the Muses and I am sure things will be revealed in due Time.

You would be helping me a great deal to keep this thread going!

BodaciousBabe

[Kim Falconer]

Liz Green has written some wonderful correlations between Prometheus and Aquarius, the humanitarian desire to aid mankind, the guilt and the suffering that follows.

It is a metaphor for material coming to consciousness. We “steal” fire (creative power) from nature (the unconscious) and yes, we no longer grovel in the dark…yet something has been stolen and nature doesn’t like that. We suffer a kind of guilt when we gain a new insight and it feel like something must be paid back, atoned. Pandora, of course, is part of the story too…the punishment meant for mankind.

Zeus was so angry because he wanted the creative fire all to himself. Once mankind got a hold of it, they could aspire to be “god-like” as well. It is the same with the unconscious and consciousness. We strive for the “enlightenment” and also pay the price when we do gain it.

Where Prometheus is in the chart may be an indication of where we are going to grab for the fire, what part of the unconscious we want to bring into awareness, and also where we suffer guilt. I think Uranus is even a stronger indication of this. Perhaps Pandora is where, through our abrupt behaviour, we bring things to light for others, though often in disturbing ways. Again, Uranus is part of this.

I think it is worth looking at how Pandora, Prometheus (foresight), Epimetheus (hindsight), Zeus and Uranus are placed in context with what we seek to bring to light and where we suffer guilt because of it.

Yes, let’s keep this thread going.

Warmly,
Kim

[marie]

Hello Svanskasfinx,

After reading your post, I looked up Prometheus in my chart. I think it must be prominant, as it conjuncts my Midheaven in my tenth house, conjuncts Juno, trines Chiron and sextiles Uranus. All in the sign of Scorpio.

Pandora is in Aquarius in my first house, conjunct Cupido and Eros, squaring my Midheaven.

Epimetheus is also in my first house in Aquarius. It conjuncts Saturn and squares my Sun, Neptune and Mercury. Additionally, it is in Quintile aspect to Venus.

Writing this, it dawns on me that my self image and career are at play with the placement of these asteroids. They seem to add to the intensity of having Saturn in the first house square to Sun, Mercury and Neptune in the tenth house.

I want to make a place for myself in a career, to reach people as an artist, yet have had a lot of difficulty doing so. I didn't go the way of traditional school, and have paid the price but haven't lost the drive and faith.

Also, I have made the mistake of communicating too much. Meaning that I've hurt others and myself by doing so. For instance, on more than one occassion I've lifted the lid off Pandora's box so to speak, by writing letters that tell too much about a person (ex-loves) to that person. Both times I've experienced so much because of my actions that I never knew I would and the consequences have been almost unredeemable. Even though the words were true, they were best left said a different way or not at all.

Thanks for such an interesting exploration.

Marie

[svenskasfinx]

Hello all!

My goal is to keep this tread going, even if I have to say some things that have probably been repeated.

I don't think I repeated myself but there are some aspects to this Prometheus 1809 and other asteroids..

For me, I feel a direct humanitarian/disruptive feeling due to Prometheus's placement, in conjunction with my Pluto/Pallas/Uranus combination and then opposite Medusa.

5731 Zeus 11°37’12" is squared my Moon in Virgo, and conjunct 399 Persephone 11°25’28" both in Gemini in my 12 house.

Seeing that this and 1810 Epimetheus is at 11°31’26" in Leo made me notice more of that area of degree in other places such as 62 Erato 11°13’ 6" in Libra.

For me, there is a story being told when other things that seem irrelevant are in similar degrees although in different signs, (naturally they will be connected by aspect in some way)

I just feel there is a story unfolding there that I may have just scratched the surface on...

I'll say something personal though, I was dreaming about this Prometheus thing, and its made me a bit more sensitive to exactly how I feel about some issues.

I don't see myself as a great humanitarian or anything, but I get very upset when I see stories about not only people starving for food or for love anywhere in the world..

It totally makes me want to go over and do something at any of the various places where they have been delivering food to the elderly (or helpless) and take charge of helping them out.

The stories about what happens because of institutional care is awful, in ANY country, especially our modern countries where people are actually getting paid to be compassionate and they end up being overwhelmed and become hardened. I understand that they have a hard job, but I want to go over to places or get people I know to do things and help out those people..(then again we are in Sweden, we ship everyone out of this country to help others in other countries but won't visit the grandmother, and I guess that's true of other places too.)

I guess that's where my Prometheus experesses itself..emotional 4th house all the way!

I'll go to bed now! Take care all!
svenskasfinx