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Post by svenskasfinx on Oct 25, 2004 12:08:34 GMT
Hej Kim, (I too speak Swedish as I have lived in Sweden for a few years now.) I was rather curious about asteroid 149: Medusa, after reading your artical, I was curious about the other qualities in relationship to the way Medusa is... Physically what influence does this have on the bodily form, for example if in conjunction with the ascendant or in the first house, having a strong personal influence over the person? I can say I see the duality aspect of Medusa already, but I find it an interesting mytholgy, that although her blood is poisonous, it also has many healing ablities and although she was a sinister figure in mythology, she was also some kind of guardian (like the sphinx) and how upon her "death" gave life to the winged horses (pegusi)... It is my husband's chart which has asteroid 149 Medusa on the ascendant (one degree with Pan), he also has a moon conjunct Psyche at the 7th degree Cancer).. and with all that 12th house activity and such, one can see that he is a very introverted type sometimes. My Medusa actually makes an aspect to Neptune in my 6th by trine, from the 10th house in Picses... up at the top of my chart with Chiron. It makes alot of sense to me, especally the amount of sympathy I have for the health and suffering of others, but I am what I feel is far to squeemish or anti-esablishment to even feel that I should involve myself with the health practices of conventional medicine...But this kind of connection is that missing bit that makes sense for me. My son also has Medusa 20th degree Taurus in conjunction with Cupido/Eros/Pan...in the tenth house (this little guy has the luminaries and many asteroids in that house! including Sappho at 13 degrees).. Thanks for your artical and bringing up Medusa in your collective works.. I am curious about anything else you may have to add to some of what I have discovered that you could shead some light on. With best wishes, svenskasfinx
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Post by Kim Falconer on Oct 26, 2004 0:29:27 GMT
Hej Sfinxen,
(I don’t speak Swedish but I have a hankering to learn a new language these days)
I think that Medusa on the Ascendant would add an intensity, a capacity for that serpent like stare we often see in the sign of Scorpio—someone who can really hold another’s attention with their power—someone who never looks away “first”. Do you know what I mean?
But just because an archetype is on an angle doesn’t mean we will embody it. We may project it onto others if it doesn’t fit ourselves. Gemini is light and witty and flirty. Medusa is dark, brooding and intense. Gemini ascendant isn’t an easy outlet for such a one as Medusa. It may be that, at times, she is encountered “out in the world at large.”<br> I do think there can be a link between Medusa and healing. I wonder if part of your anti-establishment/squeamish side is Medusa. I am certain she was angry at the “establishment” of Athena (and Poseidon) and what that goddess did to her. There are many aspects of the helping professions that are both “alternative” and do not involve actual bleeding body parts.
For instance, my sister is a trauma therapist. She has Medusa in the 8th house opposite Neptune.
Medusa/Eros/Cupido/Pan is quite a combo in the 10th house. I am guessing your best approach is to be very open and supportive of his career choices in the future. That Eros/Cu/Pa component is quite alluring, magnetic. Add the power and intensity of Medusa and I think you might have one very ambitious person on your hands!
Thanks for the comments here on Medusa. Does anyone else have her in contact to a personal planet or angle? Who has something between 1 and 11 degrees of a fixed sign that might feel the transiting Eros/Medusa conjunction?
Let us know!
Warmly, Kim
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Post by svenskasfinx on Oct 26, 2004 22:01:47 GMT
"....I do think there can be a link between Medusa and healing. I wonder if part of your anti-establishment/squeamish side is Medusa. I am certain she was angry at the “establishment” of Athena (and Poseidon) and what that goddess did to her. There are many aspects of the helping professions that are both “alternative” and do not involve actual bleeding body parts..." Dear Kim, Thanks for that information, I really get a strong feeling that Medusa is very strongly linked to different types of healing, just mainly due to the charts of people around me and the link between Medusa and Chiron in my chart.. the 6th house/Scorpio influence and the comparison I made with my husband's chart. His Chiron/Saturn and my Medusa are linked (by conjunction). In other charts of individuals I see Chiron conjunct Medusa; I know they have a strong Neptune present as well, and a history of alcohol abuse. Could the connection between these two asteroids/objects/planetiods be symbolic of something bigger connecting with health and substance abuse? I understand when you mention that sometimes when a person doesn't easily integrate a certain side to their personality but the outside world inflicts its experiences of it in another way...For example, I understand something of alcohol abuse although I have never been an addict or a substance abuser; I got that from my home environment, but still managed to avoid the pitfalls which were handed down freely. Not everyone can, and there are always some of the ghosts that haunt me and make me wonder if I were in their same place, would I have done the same things and my answer keeps on coming up, no, but I question it none the less. I get the feeling, my husband's encounter with Medusa may just be me anyway, and a certain brooding and chip on my shoulder which ruins what seems to be an otherwise charming mix. (an attempt at humour!!!) But as a good friend said to me, "I'd expect you to have to be somewhat difficult as all interesting people have reasons (and darker sides) which made them develop the way they do". I thought it was a well put phrase so I quote him. However, maybe something else comes to light. My husband has had lazer surgery on his eye, to correct his vision... I get the feeling that this kind of healing could fall into the area of a Medusa healing, just because it's a bit risky and its the eye and the intensity of the lazer, an artifical work of science, likened to the idea of light being something created by the Gods themselves. Hope that idea wasn't too far fetched. As I said so many times before, you make me think a lot about these things and where to put them... I hope I'm not too annoying. Take care, svenskasfinx
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Post by Kim Falconer on Oct 27, 2004 1:29:26 GMT
Hello Svenskasfinx,
You asked “Could the connection between these two asteroids/objects/planetiods be symbolic of something bigger connecting with health and substance abuse?”<br> I think we have to consider the language of symbol here. These planets and asteroids symbolize “something”…we call it a feeling or an archetype or meaning of some kind yet ultimately a symbol, by nature, can not be defined in words.
The symbolism of something like Medusa/Neptune is like a particular stone falling into the pool of the unconscious (again, a symbol). As it sinks, ripples radiate out from the centre, creating wider and wider rings until they touch some distant “shore”. This radial motion of symbol is important. Think of it as 3 dimensional-a spiral.
The symbolism can manifest in many ways from energy perceived as most creative (healing breakthroughs that help those in need) or degrade, spiral down, into energy perceived as less creative—even destructive (addiction, deceit, substance abuse). The point is, the ripples are “energy” that expresses through particular forms that somehow align (think now of the divergent meanings of Neptune—from divine ecstasy to drowning at sea) with the planets/asteroids they coincide with.
This awareness then answers the question. Bigger, smaller, subtle, blatant—Medusa/Neptune has its ripples—energy just as it is. Neptune is a glass of absinthe, a distant ocean, an anesthesiologist, fog in the bay, a god, an infatuation, a deception, a yoga master…it goes on forever. Medusa too is an outraged woman, a dark anger, a healing elixir, a poisonous venom, a beauty that stands alone.
The combination can express in myriad ways and it seems to matter less to the cosmos which way that is. I don’t think the universe cares so much which ripple touches someone. The importance is that they are touched.
We assume that the “language” of the universe is the same as ours. I suspect it is quite different and that we only glimpse it in the form of symbol.
You said…” My husband has had laser surgery on his eye, to correct his vision... I get the feeling that this kind of healing could fall into the area of a Medusa healing, just because it's a bit risky and its the eye and the intensity of the lazer, an artifical work of science, likened to the idea of light being something created by the Gods themselves.”<br> I don’t think that is farfetched at all. I think you are on the right track, the way you are exploring the symbolism here.
Laser light is ruled traditionally by Pluto and I feel Medusa is strongly linked to Pluto/Scorpio/8th house. Surgery of all kinds is Mars/Pluto/Scorpio/8th house, again an area of Medusa’s domain.
The left eye of a male is ruled by the Moon, right by the Sun. Defective eyesight is Lunar, eyesight in general is Mercury (perceptions).
The healing laser that can mend or destroy has a very “Medusa” quality to it. I feel there is a connection here perhaps with his Medusa conjunct the Ascendant (how he “sees” the world—how it “sees” him).
Thank you for these interesting thoughts on Medusa.
Warmly, Kim
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Post by svenskasfinx on Oct 27, 2004 8:09:47 GMT
Dear Kim, Thank you for being a good teacher. When you said-". Neptune is a glass of absinthe, a distant ocean, an anesthesiologist, fog in the bay, a god, an infatuation, a deception, a yoga master…it goes on forever. Medusa too is an outraged woman, a dark anger, a healing elixir, a poisonous venom, a beauty that stands alone. " These things on their own struck a cord with me! Just the correct words aimed in the correct way I guess... very perceptive, and yes the universe does speak in many different ways, and how do we even know we get that "wholistic picture"? We can't; we just have these symbols, which on occasion resonate with the brain, and the inner workings of the expression of the thoughts in the mind itself. I do so love to think about where these symbols fit in, and why I percieve these things the way I do. This is just something I enjoy, Medusa, Chiron, whatever, something that helps me catigorize my impressions which would otherwise have no "form" just amorphous feeling. Thanks again for that, Although I percieve the energies of Medusa to be difficult, I get the feeling, that it is a completion to a mystery I was exploring for a while now, and its arrival to my awareness marks for me a new type of understanding which was already echoed by other symbols; my awareness of Medusa is like a punctuation mark to these other things, and helps the direction of my curiousity. Your explainations are wonderful!!! Thanks again, Sfinxen aka, Dorian.
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Post by svenskasfinx on Dec 4, 2004 13:21:01 GMT
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Post by Kim Falconer on Dec 4, 2004 21:56:43 GMT
Svenskasfinx,
I am moved by your Medusa.
Is their a self-portrait their?
She is beautiful and intense and very much “at home” with who she is!
Thank you for sharing your creativity here.
Warmly, Kim
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Post by BodaciousBabe on Dec 5, 2004 2:49:41 GMT
Your picture is quite wonderful! I especially like all the different kinds of snakes featured in the hair.
Two years ago, right after I lost the singing school I built from scratch due to politics, before my sudden hysterectomy and Dad's death and subsequent other surgeries, amony other challanges, I became obsessed with making an art quilt that features a snake coming out of the fabric in 3-D. Looking back, it was a promise that I would survive and come out stronger and more fully who I am.
Snakes are very, very cool!
BodaciousBabe
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Post by svenskasfinx on Dec 5, 2004 11:09:26 GMT
Hej Kim and BodaciousBabe!
Thanks for your compements and comments..
Kim: She is a composite from a picture I found of Halley Barry... ( I only wish I could be so beautiful as what I draw or paint!) I was struck by the harsh look she gave, but now thinking back about why I used her image I realize she also played the part of "Storm" in the X-Men film, but the real reason I liked the photo of this actress was due to the fact I knew she was older than I am and yet is really ageless, she could be any age (like any good actress I suppose).
BodaciousBabe: I see snakes in things everywhere, once I told my father in law I was looking for some good examples of snakes, he went out to the secondhand shop (only open on week ends and only a few hours on a week day in the evening) and bought a whole bunch of books with nature and a found some interesting rare publications printed by the Swedish Society of Herpitology (another secret love of mine, reptiles and amphibians).
If I haden't felt so inactive I probably wouldn't have worked as much as I have on these various things... mixed blessings I guess!
For me they too represent something about overcoming things against all odds in some way, but the thing about snakes is that they were here before us, and built to survive, where as we are not really built for it but use our minds over matter.. we are all lucky that way, I guess!
Thanks for your kindness,
inspired and still discovering Medusa in new places and ways...
svenskasfinx
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Post by svenskasfinx on Dec 15, 2004 20:52:19 GMT
Hey Svenskasfinx! I'm a bit behind in my posting here, but I had to say I love the final Medusa pic too! Love the little faces on some of those snakes (especially the one with it's mouth open and tongue out ) Hej LunarScorp! Thanks.. I had to do that; the image in my mind were of these snakes being all moving and lively, I hardly come close to what happens in my mind, but some of it is there.. that each snake is a different type and that each of them is looking at what Medusa herself is looking at too, even if it is off at the side, or at a glance from behind. I see the snakes as some part of her defence system, they defend her and are somehow linked to metaphysical sight that her human eyes don't have.. (just something from some other works I have done.. the drawing I did years ago touch upon that other sight hem.bredband.net/cdorian/d55.html"Paranioa is an inevitable by product of the existance of intuition" -it was taken from an astrological quote dealing with Neptune and paranioa; I don't know who wrote it but it was some time ago.) So when Kim brought up Medusa, and the symbol in her writings it got me inspired to draw her, especially when we started discussing it, and it happened to be something personal. Thanks for the complements everyone! svenskasfinx
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