prenatal eclipses

[primamateria]

Hi forum

the other day I was reading Mystic Medusa's blog and checked my weekly horoscope - its always so beautifully albeit eccentrically written - which said that some Venus-Pluto weirding from 6 months ago would be somehow cleared up this week... of course I immediately thought of my Thing (aka Scorpio Childhood Sweetheart, who I last saw during the Venus-Pluto conjunction ) but dismissed the thought as really I've dealt with it all, and there's nothing to 'clear up'....

anyway, I was snooping around in a second hand book shop yesterday (looking for something for a Uni assignment) and came across 'Spiritual Astrology' by Jan Spiller.... took it home and read all about my 'prenatal eclipses' which 'returned' last year (and just recently). As you can imagine a lot of things just 'clicked' into place! The Thing, for a start - it all suddenly made a lot more sense as my prenatal lunar eclipse is at 12 Libra in my fourth house, the theme of which was very much a part of my growth through recent events. I had an inkling of an idea at the time that the eclipse cycles were implicated in my relationships, but hadn't found anything specific to relate it to my natal chart. So that's very synchronicitous! (Mystic if you read this - thanks for activating that!)

My prenatal solar eclipse is at 27 Pisces in my tenth (conj MC) (also the degree of my SR Venus, and very close to the natal NN). Which has the opposite effect - I feel a bit low, and muddled, as I have no idea of how to express this or to grow from it.... and as I've been exploring tenth house and vocational issues and so far keep hitting road blocks I'm finding it a bit overwhelming. Just when I think I'm getting 'the hang' of Pisces, something proves me wrong.

Has anyone else here explored pre-natal eclipses and found significance there? Has anyone experienced the 'eclipse return'?

upside-down, pm


ps. I'm thinking I'm also bottomed out to Jan Spillers advice that I would be going down the road to loneliness if I don't 'learn to relate' and have a 'mate', even though its likely easier for me to be alone. wah!

[gemstar]

Hello PM...I have only heard of the pre-natal eclipse rarely. Would you mind writing a few sentences on why this might be important to look at please? Jan Spiller's information is always a good read....I do not have the book you just purchased but what a great find! Books were always important for me growing up...we always read A LOT! And snooping around old used book stores was a favorite 'thing to do' on a rainy Saturday here in Florida! The smell is wonderful and looking for neat books for cheap is always a thrill! You have reminded me to go find a store like that here where I live...I have yet to do that!

You last sentence was interesting....the fact that you are more comfortable alone than with someone else is exactly what Jan Spiller is pointing out to you.....learning to have a 'mate' is an art....being the right kind of mate too is also an art form of sorts. Out of curiosity...

Why is it easier for you to be alone?
Where do you find it a challenge when relating to the other?

Just wondering....I do not wish for you to be on a road to loneliness if you do not desire so....we just have to uncover the major things for you to practice for your future relating! My forte is relating so maybe we can do it together! My Taurus Venus in 7th (Cere nearby too!) is always into caring about relationships....and weeding them out as well!! Top quality ONLY!

Hugs-
GemStar

[jamma]

Hi Prima ...
Thanks for bringing up this topic ...
I know where my pre-natal eclipses are but not how to interpret them, other than they seem to reinforce my NN/SN axis (7 degrees Gem/Sag) and pose more questions about how to get to the NN before the fairy dust runs out (this lifetime) ...

Total lunar: 16 Gem 03 ... natal 6th house
(this eclipse also conjuncts MM's NN, which, added to his Pars Fortunae conjunct my NN, somehow makes things feel "complete")...

Partial solar: 00 Sag 50 ... natal 11th

btw, thanks for mentioning Mystic Medusa ... just spent some time with her oracles and realize I need to give my hair a hot oil treatment!

btw2 -- "getting the hang" of Pisces is no easy trick ... just imagine yourself as a sock being tumbled over and over in a clothes dryer ...
a prettier image might be of a precious stone, being tumbled smooth at a lapidary shop -- the result, a luminous cabochon ...
or, perhaps, a crystal ball ...

xx, j

[primamateria]

Hi guys, thanks for your supportive responses - its nice to know I'm not here freaking out on my little lonesome

Gem,

Jan Spiller/Karen McCoy call the prenatal eclipses - the 'keys to Life Path and Destiny'. After studying 'over four thousand charts, watching carefully for the effect of the eclipses on personality and behavior' it was discovered that 'the sign of their solar eclipse indicated lessons they had come to teach their fellow beings, while the sign of the lunar eclipse guided them to the lessons they needed to learn in order to continue their own soul growth'.

also, not in this book, but there is a sort of 'return' of prenatal eclipses which fairly closely relates to the North Node return (given that all eclipses occur within 15 degrees of the nodes, that makes sense), although eclipses progress/evolve slightly so there is never an 'exact' return... which says to me that they are all about evolution.... (I tend to see things that way as the aim of alchemy is toward the evolution of the body/soul/spirit... through the movement of cycles, which are really 'spirals' and thus perfectly evolutionary)..... does that make sense?

Why is it easier for you to be alone?
Where do you find it a challenge when relating to the other?

good questions. There are probably 101 excuses I could give for finding it easier to be alone... all of them related to my 'life circumstances' (eg being a single mother to four kids, being asset-poor etc) but when it all boils down the truth is somewhat closer to 'its what I know'. I feel comfortable enough like this, I like my freedom and autonomy... to the degree that I have these things as the sole parent to four individuals whose needs are HUGE. Nonetheless, its not that I want to spend my life 'alone' - quite the contrary - but I've worked so hard to become independent (to the limited extent that I am!) and to find myself, and grow. Hmm... there is always the fear of losing that again - but as strong is this feeling that actually I'm readier than ever, on some levels, to have a really wonderful relationship - to 'be' for someone.

But...I have this strange sense of 'not expecting of another what I am not willing to give'... and the kind of man that attracts me (and really they are so rare) is so often in a completely different 'class' that I feel this urge to boost myself out of this one I'm in toward 'him' - but have no idea of how to go about it. So I've 'forfeited' - somewhat eliminated the possibility of being with someone, because I don't want 'just anyone', and I'm not there yet - in a position to come to a relationship as an equal. I guess this comes back to my 'excuses', doesn't it?

It feels so hopeless at times, and also so wonderful, that I alone am responsible for my life, and how it is right here and now... I've created all this myself. How can I fit someone into my life?? Its not a matter of 'not enough love' but a matter of practicality. I know it can happen, I want it to - but I can't be waiting for it, or even hoping for it.


So as you can see, I do hold it in my self that I'm OK like this, on my own, but that I'm ready for a relationship. And that it is both impossible and scary, and possible and wanted.

But I hate the idea that for my soul's growth I 'must learn to relate' and 'must have a mate' - its a matter of NEED... when I've just learned not to be NEEDY.

My Taurus Venus in 7th (Ceres nearby too!) is always into caring about relationships....and weeding them out as well!! Top quality ONLY!

weeding them out is a handy gardening skill what degree?

I have my progressed Venus at 0 Taurus (the degree of my natal Saturn!) in the tenth... and natal tenth house Aries Venus trine Saggo Mars in Seventh...never in my life have I found that men don't find me attractive (apart from some of the feedback I've had that I have 'an air of independence about me')... that they don't fall hook line and sinker. And I'm completely energised by relationships. But I must say that I've rarely been 'met' - that friendship and recognition and rapport haven't been there in so many cases. But I know how it feels! And I'd love a chance to really 'let' someone know me and to accept a man for himself - and that we could 'be' for each other without that loss of self that comes with unconscious affairs.

Everything that Jan Spiller's book said about Libra prenatal lunar eclipse really struck chords with me - and I do feel that I've learned the lessons up to the point of actually having a 'successful' relationship (that is I've learned the hard way!).... but refuse to be 'lonely' if I don't ever have it!

Jamma,

Total lunar: 16 Gem 03 ... natal 6th house

the book provides very detailed and lengthy explanations of how the prenatal eclipses operate, but here is an excerpt:

"your lesson is in how to communicate. You are learning about the correct use of language and appropriate social behavior. You are learning not to take things for granted or assume that others perceive things the same way you do. In the process of honoring this lesson you must depart from you past life "hermit consciousness" and embark on a path of social awareness. In order to integrate this lesson you must align you consciousness with that of your fellow beings so that you can be of use on this planet by sharing the knowledge you have gained in previous existences.
In your journey through life you come to recognize that others seem to misunderstand you communications> the reason for these misunderstanding is that, accustomed to living within your own mind, you often do not realize that your internal though processes have not been expressed verbally...."

and for the sixth house:

"You need to learn to make adjustments to your lifestyle that will allow you to have a healthy body, sensible work habits, and a positive attitude toward this service-oriented lifetime. In the process you will open to learning th lessons you seek through the sign of your lunar eclipse....instead of wishing your life away you are learning to physically manifest what you want in this lifetime. You are putting your mind back in to productive focus toward a direction or goal, and in the process you will learn the lessons of your lunar eclipse"

I'll be back later with solar eclipse stuff, if you're interested

oh, I love those oracles too.... I'm in need of a 'new hair reality' !!!

peace, pm

[primamateria]

ps.. have just noticed that transiting Venus is on the transiting NOrth Node (which means she just went over my Natal NN, the AP and is on my Natal Chiron) No wonder I'm going through this now.

[jamma]

Prima, thanks so much!
This is fascinating ... guess I have been doing my Gemini lunar eclipse "homework" all along ...
I became an editor by starting out as a proofreader -- teaching myself the rules and being disciplined about applying them ...
Taught myself to write the same way ...
Interestingly, I am very conscious of wanting to be understood ... even here on the forum, I edit my posts to make them as clear as possible (sorry if I fail from time to time!) ...

I do tend toward being a hermit, however ... I enjoy my alone time and can understand your ambivalence about embarking on a relationship ... your plate is already pretty full with taking care of your kids and doing your own work ...

But not to worry -- you still have plenty of time to discover that mate ...
A good friend found the love of her life after her Chiron return -- not to mention two lousy marriages, which had practically destroyed her sense of self-worth (her kids' father -- whom now she sardonically refers to as "the sperm donor" -- was not only abusive but, of course, copped out on paying child support, leaving her to raise them on her own) ...
Now her girls are grown and she's retired from teaching, so she has time to bask in the love of her new husband (who is very evolved, btw, and well worth the wait!) ...


Meanwhile, I'd be very interested to hear how other ppl are handling their "eclipse assignments" this lifetime ...

Cheers, J
P.S. When you get time, yes, please add the solar eclipse info! ... ...

[primamateria]

dear Jamma,

here's a bit from the saggo solar eclipse section... its also huge so I'm not sure which parts to copy for you! (my oldest daughter has this one too, and it seems apt)

"you've accepted responsibility for teaching your fellow beings how to understand the common thread that runs through all the philosophies and various belief systems of humankind. You are spreading the awareness that we are all one, we're are all heading in the same direction, and at the same time we have all come to learn something on our own unique paths. You are teaching that a spark of the collective consciousness burns strongly within all of us. We need to learn to respect one another, without prejudices, and to recognise that no matter which path a person has chosen, we all traveling to the same destination. All the ways up the mountain lead to the same summit."

and 11th house:

"you are teaching your fellow beings to develop a group consciousness and to be more aware of the needs of others. our teach many of your lessons in group situations, helping others to develop group oriented awareness.... you can help bring about the realisation that when the masses are taken Care of, individual lives will also be fulfilled....You encourage others to pursue their dreams aspirations and ideals and are extremely supportive of your friends and acquaintances. You often put a great deal of time and energy into the efforts of those you feel have worthy goals or those with whom you feel a kinship...."

thanks for your kind words about having time to find 'my mate'....you've reminded me that I'm to keep focused on 'being here now' and not projecting myself into any future 'road' to anywhere...with or without a man beside me... it feels good to do this.

I'm not sure I'm handling my 'eclipse assignment' (contract?) - Pisces ;

"you are here to help your fellow beings to develop their sensitivities... you have a tendency to draw to you very critical, overly analytical people, and you can teach these individuals to develop deeper levels of empathy... this also allows them to develop new ways of expressing their analytical abilities that will be more acceptable to others so they won't set themselves up for rejection as often. You are very sensitive to the energies around you and 'pick up vibes' because you are so psychically developed.... with this inborn intuition you can teach others the value of following their hunches and the usefulness of this awareness...what you give your fellow human beings is the freedom to be in distress without being judged...as you walk through life you draw to you people who are very self-judgmental and in need of seeing the larger whole... through your natural compassion you can help others to regain their sense of self-worth"

I'm not sure I'd ever describe myself as 'psychically developed'!! Its true though that I'm sensitive to other's self-critical and judging language and behaviour... and have picked up some pretty awful ideas of myself at times - believing in what other's see about me (this eclipse is in my tenth house, conjunct MC)...and it has taken me a very long time to develop compassion... but have a very strong sense of empathy/equal mindedness...and notice that people like to come to me when they're troubled, which is what has given me the idea of becoming a counsellor/life coach of some sort... with some kind of element of creativity blended in. I suppose its no coincidence at all that I'm so attracted to psychology, alchemy and holistic therapies - although for some reason I've had a hard time finding ways of incorporating these into a career/life path... difficulty with gaining qualifications.

sorry to keep going on about this problem... just thinking out loud I guess..

peace, all. pm

[jamma]

Hi Prima,
Thanks for posting the solar eclipse bits ...
I'm not sure I can "teach" anybody anything, but I like to be on the sidelines, cheering ppl on ...

I definitely can see you "doing" your Pisces eclipse work:
through your natural compassion you can help others to regain their sense of self-worth

You are VERY empathetic and encouraging (especially what you just wrote on my Synchronicity post -- so kind!) ... and obviously psychically attuned to others' needs ...

Speaking Sagittariusly (I love making these words up), I can also attest that there are not only "many paths to the summit" but also various vias to achieving one's career goal ...
I think the trick here is to define the goal very clearly and then follow whatever route you intuitively find most satisfying ...
Uni is lovely and confers the credentials/prestige of the establishment ... but Pisces energy sometimes likes to swim around obstacles, even if those turn out to be the revered spires of academe ...

Your judgment is solid ... allow yourself to feel fast, flexible and confident of your gifts ...

Love,
J
P.S. You might find aquarium with goldfish to be inspirational (and the alchemist has gotta like that gold!) ...
fun for your kids, too ... ...

[gemstar]

Hello Prima....

Thanks so much for answering my questions from my post above!

Frankly, I feel a little out of the loop still on these pre-natal eclipses....how do I calculate them? Is it a lunar eclipse or a solar eclipse? Maybe this is obvious but somehow I am missing the boat on this subject.....grrrrrr. Is it staring at me in the face and I can not see it? It is an obvious calculation that I have somehow called another name?? Ha, I am laughing because you must envision me here at my computer screen racking my brain for the answers.
OK...I give up...please simplify for me!!

Regarding 'relating' issues. Well, I have lots of thoughts and maybe the first one that jumps to my mind is this: Always expect the same amount of goodies from someone which you are willing to give yourself. You have to know what you bring to the table.....some people make a mistake of accepting less from someone else than what they themselves bring to the table (or visa-versa...expect more from the other person than they themselves have to offer). I say, make yourself the ULTIMATE package and be the person you would desire most! THEN, you will attract better quality opportunities and can easily weed out the 'wannabes'.

Overall, my independence seems to turn lots of men on. Too much at times. The idea of being 'met' by a mate is a great one! While there is usually a 'give and take' in relationships, the overall feeling should feel like one of equality and balance. No games....just straight-on "I y'am what I y'am " (Popeye)!!

While lots of people want something more than what they have to offer, I feel that is unfair to expect this from another. There are a myriad of reasons, but overall, there must be a good match of: the intellectual, emotional, physical and spiritual levels between two people. Choosing a mate is one of the most important decisions we are given in this life....we certainly cannot choose our families.....we are not married to our friends....and our children are Souls and Blessings of all sorts which are in our lives for many reasons (though we do not have the choice of personalities with them). Keeping the door open for the person to ENTER is KEY. It is either open or closed, a door cannot be both. How can you expect to have choices or possibilities if the door is sometimes open and sometimes not? So....Open up and no more talk of impossibilities....

Being a good mate and being open to 'connecting' with potential mates whose paths we cross along this journey is part of the fun!! Having responsibilities with children can be a challenge no doubt....and it will keep you from being too lonely on most days! (even though you may want to run off into the night-Away from home!) There are many out there who will not ever be Blessed with children and wonder why this was 'to be' on their path this time around.....the influence you are on your children is a priceless treasure. You are rich with assets in many ways.....remind yourself!!

Now....a question on your 'independence'. It may be easy to relate to others in the safety of the internet....but real life is another story. Possibly.....Do you feel that you have an invisible 'wall' of sorts which keeps others from 'connecting' with you in a more intimate manner? Where is this 'wall' in you chart? It is not your independence that is the challenge....it is something else which is perhaps causing difficulty for you and relating. Does this eclipse thing show anything?

You can always find time to fit someone you love into your life. You may certainly 'Wish or Hope' for a mate. If you do not, why would the Universe give you something you feel unworthy of?? Change your thoughts and spiff up the 'gold' in yourself.....no more tarnish or excuses!! Buff them out of your mind.....and then SPARKLE ONWARD!! (**GemStar sprinkles brilliant gold dust on Prima!**)

As far as the NEED goes....being Needy is not one of my traits so I am not a good source for that discussion. I guess the point that Spiller was making is that you have a potential for development in the area of relationships which needs tending to....like a garden! (My Venus is 23' 24 Taurus conjunct my NNode at 24' 56 Taurus...in 7th house). Relationships and being open to experiencing them perhaps has been part of my path and destiny. Learning to rely on others....allowing myself to be vulnerable in the process so that others are able to 'connect' to my Being is part of that path I believe. If you have that wall of protection UP, it is far too difficult for others to KNOW you. (Much less try to be your mate). So, perhaps this time of tr Venus across your Node is about exploring your need to relate. Waking up that point in your chart so that you can begin to be more open to experiencing the 'connections' with others....and not worrying about being vulnerable.

Lastly, there is no loss of self in a healthy relationship....the identity of the relationship is separate from YOU as an identity. Continue to work on yourself and become the mate you wish to have......Let go of self-limiting Fear.
OPEN the Door Prima....walk with sparkling Gold Dust trailing in your wake...and develop a new outlook for letting people stroll through your door of Love (now that you will keep it open!!).

Just Be your BEST You. And know that you can handle anything which crosses your path.....no matter what!!

Hugs-

GemStar

[primamateria]

Dear Gemstar...

wow... thanks... for your kindness and concern and good sense!

your prenatal solar eclipse is at Taurus 28'55 (May 20, 1966) in your seventh house (!!!)
and your prenatal lunar eclipse is at Virgo 13'56 (May 04, 1966) in your 10th.

(I looked up your natal data from the returns thread)


Do they resonate loud and clear with you? After the last post you wrote to me I am thinking that these seem completely 'you'. You are quite the earthy girl, for a Gem ;D... how wonderful!

Now....a question on your 'independence'. It may be easy to relate to others in the safety of the internet....but real life is another story. Possibly.....Do you feel that you have an invisible 'wall' of sorts which keeps others from 'connecting' with you in a more intimate manner? Where is this 'wall' in you chart? It is not your independence that is the challenge....it is something else which is perhaps causing difficulty for you and relating. Does this eclipse thing show anything?


yep, I've got walls - I've worked really hard to build them! Isn't that funny? The protective measures I've taken are the ones that are most likely keeping me from the things that I want. HOwever, I think I'm a good communicator, and do make an effort to appear approachable when I'm out in the world. I'm just not meeting anyone - I'm not where the men are, or they're not where I am.... Not sure where I have to be!

(having said that I'm recalling here that I just struck up a conversation in my local cafe - with a guy who turned out to be a poet, visiting from overseas... just not attractive to me 'like that'.)

ah, my shoulders and back are all tensed up just thinking about all of this.

In my chart? Where do I start? Moon in Libra in the fourth house - a 'container' for my emotions? My IC cluster? (Pluto,IC, Jupiter, SN, Uranus all Rx - I need to come with a warning label!) or Mars in Saggo, in the seventh??? (square Pluto!? I'm a bit scary for a mere mortal?) Saturn in the 11th - the 'lone wolf'... mercury, my networker, hiding in the 12th?

I am prepared to let down those walls - and do this when I have the chance... maybe this 'wall' is my 'weeding out' mechanism? My 'Rupunzel waiting in her tower' - that guy has got to climb! But in actual fact I'm through with 'princes' - I'm after a King. Ok, coming out of the tower and into the Palace....

Sometimes I wonder if the idea of 'making myself the ultimate package' is the problem... the idea that I need to be 'good enough' or 'better' than I am is keeping me from having real love right now... 'good enough' seems like a goal - distant - and accounts for that feeling of 'not being in the same realm' as my Mate (wherever that is!), and that need to boost myself out of this circumstance into another. But I'm here right now, and face the very real possibility that this is as good as it gets.

So yes, I need help - and appreciate yours in this Gemstar. Thanks.


let me know if you'd like to post some of the text on your solar and lunar prenatal eclipses...

meanwhile I'm off to make friends with my fears and gather some gold dust...

pm

[primamateria]

ps Gem, my sun is at 10 Taurus - the Sabian Symbol for this is "A Woman Sprinkling Flowers" so I can completely relate to the 'gardening' metaphor pm

[primamateria]

pss. have just remembered that the symbol for 'sublimation' in alchemy is the same as the symbol for libra... in some alchemical treatises this is depicted by the ascent to a 'tower'. Hmm

[gemstar]

Hey Prima-

Thank you for posting the prenatal eclipses for me! WOW!!

Both of those areas are important to me in my natal chart....the Solar prenatal falls right on my Venus/NNode/Sappho/Juno/Ceres stellium in the 7th and the lunar, within 2 degrees of my Uranus/Pluto conj in VIR in my 10th! Is that normal??

If you have the time to post more information, I would truly appreciate it Prima!! Then I will be able to determine if it resonates with (or differently) than those planets.......it might be a bit difficult to feel a difference but I will try!!

The Rapunzel reference made me laugh......interesting TOWER! Transformation........

Hey....Didn't the wall come before the moat which came before the tower??

IF it were me, I would practice 'relating' and 'connecting' to each person I cross paths with to teach myself to be more comfortable with relating. Men or women....some tiny way of relating....a look, a smile....giving an unexpected compliment to the check-out person at the store....every person. It is a fun exercise and when you conciously connect to others, it fills your Soul with so much warmth...it is too cool! Try it for a day.....

All I can say about a Mate is this...you only need ONE. In the meantime, you work on yourself and continue to improve who you are....it is a Lifetime practice....and you feel good about each new step you become so you are not disappointed with not ever 'reaching' wherever it is you will end up.....step-by-step......the Ultimate package is what you wish to become...and what you have to offer others. It is being the Queen to his King.

Be the Queen Prima.....and practice 'relating' to all....with no expectations other than the joy of connecting to another human being.......and you will find a special gift from each connection.....sometimes you will feel it, other times it will slowly sink in......try it!

The gold dust will begin to produce it's magic as you pay attention to your ways of relating....pruning and trimming where needed....how do others relate to you? What areas to you need to relax in with your communication? Does your tenseness come across as another emotion? Your chart gives clues.....so work your magic!

Hugs-
GemStar

[primamateria]

WEll! this is quite amazing really.... I'm getting profound Jovian advice from Jamma - who has a Saggo pre-natal eclipse... and likewise Earthy-Venusian advice from Gemstar who has a taurean one!

tee hee... here is me in the middle with my double dual signs - Pisces and Libra!

I love astrology ;D ;D I love you guys too.

Jamma - you do have a lot to teach - Saggitariusly! Your Gemini lunar pre-natal eclipse will have given you plenty of tools to do so, too.... and as you already said... there are many vias....

Gem,

Both of those areas are important to me in my natal chart....the Solar prenatal falls right on my Venus/NNode/Sappho/Juno/Ceres stellium in the 7th and the lunar, within 2 degrees of my Uranus/Pluto conj in VIR in my 10th! Is that normal??

yeah, I noticed that these eclipses are right on major doozies in your chart.... is it normal? Well, these eclipse degrees must surely energise those parts of your chart - Pluto-Uranus - wow! Conscious use of the energy must surely be quite some power in your hands.

here is some of the text from the book:

Virgo:

"in this incarnation you need to learn... not to be so ready to believe what others tell you...to get your feet back on the ground. You need to find out that you can function in the physical world and still retain a spiritual consciousness. And one of you Major lessons is to find a balance between the spiritual and the physical worlds. You need to learn that while we are in physical bodies we have physical desires. You already recognise the God essence in everyone but you also need to realise that being in the flesh and working on certain lessons adds a different flavour to the spiritual character of every person. This is why you must learn to put things in proper perspective and take the desires and motives of others into account.
You are psychic at birth and have very strong sensitivities but... many of the signals you receive seem mixed and clouded to you. In understanding and using your psychic awareness you need to remember that if an insight is useful to you , it is from the universe and you can trust it.... through learning to pay attention to details, you learn to put things in proper perspective - placing them where they belong in your life. (like the digestive system operates)
operating consciously... you intuitively gravitate to the lessons you came to learn in this lifetime and you willingly take responsibility for how you interact with others. You find yourself constantly dealing with situations where you have to integrate your analytical abilities with your family unit, work environment and social life.
From a very early age you have been curious about the workings of the human mind. You are very inquisitive...you require abundant information because you are learning to process things and put them in their proper place...you can relinquish the burden of requiring each detail when the assimilation process through which you learn to become more aware begins to operate automatically. You can simultaneously assimilate what you need as you pass through an experience, leading to your greatest and most joyful awareness: enjoying the vividness of life through the ability to be totally here now."

I'll come back later with some Taurus Solar Eclipse info - let me know if this makes any sense... there's a lot more to it, as the whole section is divided into a general intro, 'unconscious expression', 'conscious expression' and 'transpersonal expression' as well as 'physical integration'... my typing is getting better!

peace, joy, pm

[gemstar]

THANK YOU PRIMA!!

OK....do you ever read these interpretations and sometimes it feels like they could apply to everyone?

Re-sensitivities.......the writing feels similar to my thoughts when I used to believe EVERYONE had the ability to be as sensitive to the vibrations of a room or people. I thought this was 'standard issue' and was soooo surprised when I discovered that many people do not have the ease of feeling intuitively!! It still amazes me...I wouldn't know how to function without this ability!!

So, my inital reaction was that of 'Oh, everyone is curious about how the mind works'...."We all must question what we were taught....parental ideals etc...."

Perhaps the one thing which stood out most for me was the idea that:

You already recognise the God essence in everyone but you also need to realise that being in the flesh and working on certain lessons adds a different flavour to the spiritual character of every person. This is why you must learn to put things in proper perspective and take the desires and motives of others into account.

The desires and motives of each person are HIGHLY visible to me. It is actually a very frustrating thing to know because I want to help the person 'Get It'. For the sake of their own good and growth. It can be painful to witness.....because it happens so frequently and I remind myself that people are learning as they need to learn. Maybe it is the lack of self-awareness, which many people seem to ignore, that frustrates me. Too many people seemingly have become so self-involved and when you explain 'why' something is going the way it is for that person, sometimes they can not get beyond themselves to see it. Does this make any sense?

The part of trusting my intuition rings true yet I feel this is a Universal thing and not unique to this prenatal eclipse point. Time teaches us to trust it......though for me, I had the extra weight of a chauvanistic family who continues to put women in second class. Continually perpetuating the myth that men are smarter, better and more capable than women. (Except when it comes to doing house chores and cooking-clean up). Grrrr....... This would be a classic example of going against what the grain is in my/a family.....KNOWING that how they think and behave is not acceptable as truth and working around and with this fact. It is not easy and it is baffling to me. Just an example.

As far as the signals being clouded for me as a child...perhaps because of the above example, the signals didn't match the behaviour of the people I am in family with. A innate knowing that women are not below men on the social scale and fighting to be treated as an equal without being scolded as being disrespectful. A tough balance as a pretty aware kid.....nothing gets by me....details and all (even if I do not say a word about it). So.....eventually the signals were clearer as I exposed myself to more of the world and the world concurred with my intuitions. I then felt validated and began to fully trust my intuition as my best guide.....it has never failed me (even if it has gone against my rational thoughts).

So....back to the beginning....with this prenatal eclipse present on my Uranus/Pluto conjuction in 10th, it further drives home the point of Social reform and a need to help people become more aware of their role and actions beyond themselves. Anyway.... I still feel that everyone has this lesson to learn in various forms....I am not sure if this prenatal eclipse lesson is applicable to only one sign/area. Just my thoughts.....

Thank you for taking the typing time to write these up.....the Taurean one should be interesting too!! I appreciate your efforts and enjoy learning more and more about all the different influences astrology provides!!

AND... We love you too!!

Hugs-
GemStar