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Post by chrissymgreen on Feb 22, 2005 16:32:31 GMT
dear all,
i have read about antiscia points (or is it antiscion?), and i understand a little about them. i had this book from the library a month or two ago that i cannot remember the title of, sheesh, i should have written it down because it had an awesomely easy to understand table on antiscia points, and i discovered that my venus is antiscia to my partner's venus through that table. i may go back to the library this weekend just to see if i can check it out again, because i'd like to share with everyone interested.
anyway, in synastry our venus' square each other by 6°. his venus is in scorpio and mine's in aquarius, but he does have venus conjunct uranus natally and i have a contraparallel between venus and pluto. i also have a mutual reception between venus & uranus and he has one between venus & pluto. i figure these aspects are more important, but i still am curious about the antiscia thing - does it mean anything in synastry? does it just speak to a general compatibility?
thanks, guys. ill get on finding out the title/author of that book, because i have searched online and can't find any tables or charts specifying antiscia points (for those interested).
sincerely, c
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Post by chrissymgreen on Feb 22, 2005 16:48:46 GMT
well, color me surprised, because i just did one more search on antiscia and found this site! www.panplanet.com/library/antiscia.htmit has a table there. it's still somewhat confusing to me, but planets in antiscia are described as mirroring each other. that makes sense in the context of my relationship. i kind of feel sometimes like our venus' function as if conjunct. there are probably multiple things that contribute to this (his venus conjunct uranus likes my venus in aquarius and my venus contraparallel pluto likes his venus in scorpio). i guess the fact that they are antiscia to each other just reinforces this. anyone else have anything to add about antiscia and how it functions in your synastry with other people? sincerely, c
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Post by Kim Falconer on Feb 22, 2005 23:36:28 GMT
Linda Reid’s article (your link) on the Antiscia is excellent. If you get a handle on that, it becomes clear how planets might link if another person has a body on the antiscia of one of yours (Planets or point).
Again, “People are like permanent transits!”<br> If I have time, I’ll give you some synastry examples from my files. It is fascinating!
Thanks for posting Reid’s link!
Warmly, Kim
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Post by sielou on Dec 1, 2005 1:02:57 GMT
I found something astounding . Between me and my unfortunate love. First our usual natal data Then our natal data the Antiscia way. His Antiscia-sun is conjunct with my zodiac moon and my Antiscia-moon is conjunct his zodiac moon.
His natal ascendant is nearly the same as my Antiscia-mercury! His Antiscia-ascendant is nearly the same as my natal mercury!->This must be why I never could protect myself from his harsh words. And why his words just had a way of moving me so much. Both on msn messenger and on the phone!! The world just stopped spinning! I remember that in the beginning of May after an hour or so, I got this warmth spreading inside of me, from just hearing his voice! It was ha calming and a wholeness there. A very special feeling and everything was just right! His Antiscia-moon conjuncts my Antiscia-mercury. Hmm... so I talked directly into his heart??? [glow=red,2,300] His Antiscia-moon conjuncts my natal descendant and his natal moon conjuncts my Antiscia-descendant.[/glow] I believe this says it all, He was the One. What ever feelings can ever beat this !?? Seriously, I don´t ever think I am going to fall in love again *this was the very first time*.... By the way, can anyone recommend any good books on Antiscia? Your comments and info about the astrology and Antiscia in this message, are most welcome . Thanks.
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Post by chrissymgreen on Dec 2, 2005 18:58:10 GMT
dear sielou,
i agree that antiscia (also called solstice) connections in synastry make for really intense involvements!
ok, after reading your post though i just wanted to see if i have this right...
your natal moon sign is gemini 23°, right? and the antiscion of his sun is gemini 17°, correct? i think i have that right.
now i'm not entirely certain here...maybe someone else can help with this, but i think generally speaking the orb is very minimal with solstice points. does anyone else have any thoughts on this?
i found this for you, you may have seen this before:
"Some astrologers use Solstice Points (Antiscia) in Synastry work, where the Antiscion degrees of one person's planets and points are compared to the other person's natal positions.
In my records, I have some examples: the woman's solstice Venus exactly conjunct the man's Descendant in the synastry of a couple who both felt they fell in love at first sight (no other Ascendant-Descendant connections in regular synastry); a man whose Venus-Moon conjunction did nothing but square his partner's Saturn—the anticision degrees of Venus-Moon tightly conjunct her Sun/Moon midpoint; in two cases of married couples with no Sun-Moon interaspects nor Sun/Moon midpoint contacts, solstice Venus and solstice Mars, respectively made tight conjunctions to Sun/Moon midpoints; tight solstice Vertex conjunction to the Moon; exact solstice North Node conjunct Venus in synastry; a man's solstice Sun tightly conjunct a woman's Moon in a relationship in which proposal of marriage occurred within the first two weeks of meeting (they did marry)."
i did see that your solstice mercury conjuncts his natal AC, like you said! that's got be an incredibly intense connection. his natal AC is going to light up that shadow side of your mental, communicative self. it's possibly even more intense for him...the shadow side of his AC -- one of the most important points in a nativity -- is lit up by your natal mercury.
some time ago i found a paper on antiscia written by darrelyn gunzburg in 2004. it might still be out there on the internet, it's just a 20 page deal but it is very informative. here is an excerpt from it:
The hardest thing is to see is ourselves directly. We only know ourselves through reflection. By looking into a mirror we see who we are. What we see is our counterpart likeness and representation. Our reflection fills the same space “on the other side”, duplicated yet reversed. We and our image are equidistant from that mirror no matter where we stand.
Think of it like this. You are walking along a street of houses and then you come to a shop window. Suddenly you see your reflection in the window. Your reflection is made clear to you at that point along the street.
So it is with Antiscia points. That Antiscia point holds tremendous power to bring that part of a person into clear focus, catalysed by another. Why does it work? There are many ways to divide a chart and bisecting it is a natural solar action. We live in a duality - night-day, male-female - north-south. If we look to fairy stories, they are full of information on what to do in the world of enchantment, how to behave, what to ear - and to make sure that one remains grounded in the mundane, practical world. Solstice points are most relevant in relationships. Since in a natural zodiac the Solstice axis divides the chart in terms of dependent and independent relationships, if one meets a person who has a planet at that exact degree, that is a tremendously powerful point for interaction and connection between the two people. It is the point where that person allows the other to express that planet or luminary in the external world. It is a point where your planet/luminary is made possible in the external world. Hence Antiscias are of special use in Synastry work, for they define one’s points of expression in the world via another individual. To look at Antiscia points to see how another person helps one to fulfil oneself may explain why a person may feel such a close connection, positively or with difficulty, with another when it may not be that obvious through Composite and Synastry work.
actually, i just was looking over the paper and apparently some do use a wider than <1° orb (what i was sticking to). this is interesting. i didn't know orbs were even allowed. if you send me your e-mail address i will definitely send this paper to you if you wish.
ooh, i did notice this, which you didnt mention. i dont know how important this would be. anyway, his solstice uranus conjuncts your natal jupiter (and vice versa).
see, the way i was doing it is this...i drop the minutes to make it easy. i use this handy little table:
Gemini/Cancer Leo/Taurus Virgo/Aries Libra/Pisces Scorpio/Aquarius Sagittarius/Capricorn 1° / 29° 2° / 28° 3° / 27° 4° / 26° 5° / 25° 6° / 24° 7° / 23° 8° / 22° 9° / 21° 10° / 20° 11° / 19° 12° / 18° 13° / 17° 14° / 16° 15° / 15°
see, this is how i figured out that my chart ruler venus' solstice point is scorpio 12° (my natal venus is at 18° aqua). my ex-partner's descendant ruler venus was at scorpio 12°. so my AC ruler was conjunct his DC ruler's solstice point (and subsequently his DC ruler is conjunct my AC ruler's solstice point). since his natal venus is at 12 scorp and mine is at 18 aqua, our venuses square each other as well. it was really intense, and it's still not over for me. i've moved on in many ways, but he is still with me, i think about him frequently. i dont think id be stretching it to say he knows me better than anyone in a weird way i can't describe, and i always thought it just might have something to do with those solstice points.
hope this helps you!
sincerely, chrissy
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Post by sielou on Dec 5, 2005 1:09:53 GMT
Thanks very much Chrissymgreen for all of your info! Yes it is so hard to move on . I think of him too a lot. Interesting to read of you and your ex-partners antiscia. "if you send me your e-mail address i will definitely send this paper to you if you wish." >>That would be very nice of you. Can´t you send it to me here over the private mail?
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Post by Sol on Dec 6, 2005 8:36:16 GMT
Hi! what does it mean if persons A antiscia NN conjuncts persons B SN and persons A antiscia SN conj. persons B NN... Thanks for any insight.
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Post by butterfly on Dec 6, 2005 18:06:20 GMT
Are only conjunctions to antiscia points taken? What about squares and opp and harmonic aspects? What about antiscia points to antiscia points comparison?
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Post by Kim Falconer on Dec 7, 2005 21:59:57 GMT
Butterfly, I would stick to the conjunctions and perhaps oppositions, keeping orbs VERY tight-exact really. (But I'm strict!) As for the above question on the activated Nodes, again, you really need to think of Synastry in terms of 'people as permanent transits'. If you can do the work, (identify the meaning of the Nodes by sign and house in each natal chart and what that might mean for each person--how does it 'mesh' with their other placements?) then it becomes very clear what one might experience when another person (or a transit or progression or relocation) ACTIVATES that point. With this in mind, would anyone care to answer the question? Ancisica/Nodal synastry? Kim
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Post by sielou on Apr 26, 2006 1:49:25 GMT
Now I found that the same person I told you about (above) and I have a nearly Mars and Saturn conjunction. My zodiac mars is at Taurus 17.15 and antiscia at Leo 12.46 near his zodiac Saturn at 15.29 in Leo.I think that this could explain why I so often feel that he has to put me down and always makes me to be the child. Although he behaves like the kid not owning his own emotions but blames and accuses me. And I´m left trying to make it right when it always seems that I am the one with all the loving emotions which he all too well knows. He has to be on top, he has always to be in charge . Anyways... any comments on a Saturn conjunct Mars the antiscia way? Hope you are all doing well =)
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Post by tom on Apr 26, 2006 16:39:58 GMT
okay...[clears throat & rolls up sleeves]: i was finally able to make peace with an ex yesterday. the connection is crazy intense, we still care about each other deeply, and we have pushed a lot of each other's buttons that has resulted in fireworks of the damaging kind. my feeling is that we're not done yet, not finished, but i'm not prepared to reenter something intense with her at this time. i just ran the numbers on antiscia (all within a degree): 1. her antiscion moon/MC on my natal jupiter she melts when i talk about my philosophies - my college thesis on existentialism, various current astrology research - just melts. honestly, i think when i told her about the thesis i think that's when she really fell for me.
2. her antiscion ascendant on my natal ascendant/venus/pallas not sure what to think/say on this...
3. her antiscion pluto opposing my pluto battle of wills!!! battle of wills!!! we each have the capacity to be entirely compassionate and loving, and when we can forgive what's been felt as a result of our projections (pluto in libra here conjunct venus, she's a pluto in virgo/7th) we are the poster children for high/healing pluto choices - i'm being very clear with her now that the latched-onto hurts (from projection) are not as important as feelings, and we're beginning a time of not making each other wrong for being ourselves. it's an intense pluto lesson we each have for the other, i see.
4. my antiscion sun on her north node natally, my sun squares her nodes (2 degrees of orb). on one level in my mind this is me embodying a friction for her that, when dealt with, helps her get her southness to her northness. i strongly encourage her art (i love it and want to see more of it) and taking time for herself (NN aquarius/12th with Rx mars on it, sun-venus on the leo SN), so she can stay even-keeled (she tends to be so social that she doesn't always address what's going on inside). this antiscion-sun on her north node seems to say that dealing with that friction might be a really important thing for her NN to get attention from her.
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Post by tom on Apr 26, 2006 17:09:36 GMT
okay, and now for the woman i'm kind of dating: 1. her antiscia sun on my ascendant/venus/pallas she definitely brings out my softer side - libra rising over here...she brings out my affectionate nature more than anyone i've known. i see it's always been there, but there's all this room for it to come out and play when with her.
2. her antiscia chiron opposing my jupiter i can't see this clearly now - my jupiter function opposing her chiron function...oh, wait - there's something going on with us about me showing her something about trusting her 12th house abilities - chiron in gemini in the 12th. she trusts her intuition, but i think sometimes when it comes to other people she might not (when she "gets"/senses info about others). so, my jupiter in the 3rd has something to show her chiron in gemini.
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Post by jamma on Apr 26, 2006 21:20:45 GMT
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Post by ariesmoon on Apr 12, 2008 11:05:23 GMT
This thread is nearly 2 years old, but it's a new subject to me, as I've just discovered Darrelyn's article and wanted to share some thoughts on antiscia connections in synastry. Anyone interested in looking again at this?
To start it off - antiscia connections to Sun/Moon midpoints, a deeply personal part of the natal chart. I've heard it described as "the point of inner marriage". I've discovered the following in a synastry interpretation:
A's antiscia Sun conjunct B's Sun/Moon midpoint (to less than 1 degree)
I hadn't found any other Sun/Moon midpoint connections in this interpretation, so being prompted by this thread and Darrelyn's article, I looked at the antiscia.
I'm thinking more about it, in the meantime any thoughts from anyone? I'm conscious of what Darrelyn says, about these connections working both ways, each point or planet bringing out the other by reflection. (I'm also wary of trying to come up with "tick box" interpretations given the need to see, as Kim says, how the individual points and planets function in natal charts before pitching into a full synastry interpretation. So these are just first thoughts before I go deeper.)
An antiscia Sun connection - the Sun bringing light, energy and awareness to a very personal point (which could have been in shadow, so contact with someone else's sun could be enlightening and illuminating, or frightening - too much bright light can dazzle and confuse). The blending of the Sun/Moon energies at the midpoint could, by return, bring a timid/retiring sun out of hiding by reflecting back its best qualities. Or its worst! Either way it feels to me like a very strong personal connection which has all the more meaning to me for not being immediately apparent.
How many of us are really aware of our Sun/Moon midpoints? I'd hardly given mine any thought until reading up on antiscia. Mine is 26 Taurus 17 (yes, I know, conjunct Algol, it doesn't spook me, I've read enough to come to my own rather more balanced conclusions and decided I like the challenge!) It's a blend of a fiery and feisty Aries Moon (well, it wants to be, but its in the 12th house and is learning restraint and subtlety!) and a second house Cancer sun, which spent a long time apologising for shining before I decided to like me better. Having someone's personal planet conjunct that point, particularly a Sun/Moon, would feel like a very deep personal connection. As if someone is shining a light on a very vulnerable part of you. I'm also finding antiscia connections to the nodes (including a conjunction between Sun/Moon and antiscia South Node) but am not ready to post about that yet. I need to do some more work on it.
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