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Natal Planets (and Asteroids) Out of Bounds... Jun 11, 2006 13:35:10 GMT

Post by svenskasfinx on Jun 11, 2006 13:35:10 GMT

I find that out of bounds Mars runs in my family.

My mother has Moon Out of Bounds in Cancer, strangely enough the man that I'm with, my "husband" for more techincal terms also has Moon out of bounds in Cancer... But in his First house, and I have my Mars out of Bounds in MY first house..

The characteristics of Out of Bounds planets is that they seem to "operate" outside of the "norm".

How many cases do you see in your own life where your out of bound planet "operates" outside of the "norm"..?

I'd go first but I'm pressed for time.. I will add that I have Both Venus and Mars out of bounds in the first house..

My son has Mars out of bounds conjunct his Vertex and Chiron in his 5th house.

And my mother has Moon in her Sixth house Out of Bounds, (in Cancer)..

Be well all,

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Natal Planets (and Asteroids) Out of Bounds... Jun 11, 2006 14:36:14 GMT

Post by blueorchids on Jun 11, 2006 14:36:14 GMT

Sven

Thanks for starting this thread. I cannot wait to look into some charts here as I am only newly familiar with planets OOB.

Here is something on OOB I bookmarked earlier and enjoyed:

"Declinations are another way of looking at planetary placements as measured north or south of the celestial equator. Planets go "out of bounds" when they exceed the Sun's maximum north or south declination of 23° 27'. People with an out-of-bounds planet often express that planet's dynamic in extraordinary ways. This article is rich in examples that can help astrologers to integrate the out-of-bounds concept into chart analysis."

www.mandala.be/declination/pamela.htm

and you must read part two as she gives some fascinating examples....

www.mandala.be/declination/pamela1.htm

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Natal Planets (and Asteroids) Out of Bounds... Jun 11, 2006 15:27:51 GMT

Post by blueorchids on Jun 11, 2006 15:27:51 GMT

I want to add after looking at several family member charts (siblings/parents/offspring) this clearly like so much in astrology has a family signature. Only one sibling of 5 has an OOB and that is my sister with a 8th House Cancer Venus (conjunct Mars!) at 24 (declination). ... My husband has a Mercury at 25 but neither I nor the children have an OOB.

My sister with the OOB VENUS has had an extraordinarily rich and tumultuous love life culminating in a late life (40+ years old) first marriage which is very strong, healthy and energetic.

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Natal Planets (and Asteroids) Out of Bounds... Jun 11, 2006 19:54:46 GMT

Post by jamma on Jun 11, 2006 19:54:46 GMT

Thanks for starting this thread, Sven -- and especially for including the OOB asteroids! ...

I've been wondering about my OOB Eros at 35 deg 57' S, who is traveling with 4086 Podalirius (healer of invisible wounds, of the soul, and of the mind/body) at 35 deg 26' S ...

Anybody else with OOB Eros?

J

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Natal Planets (and Asteroids) Out of Bounds... Jun 11, 2006 21:16:49 GMT

Post by svenskasfinx on Jun 11, 2006 21:16:49 GMT

jamma said:

"..Anybody else with OOB Eros?.."

*raises hand*

I have it- but I also know that Eros does tend to go out of bounds because of its erratic orbit, and many asteroids do, however the one I have found to show up really out of bounds is 1566 Icarus.. (but not in my case)

My Eros is at 23°46’35" S (at 24°33’ 6" Libra conjunct Ceres/Spica and Juno all in the 5th as I've mentioned before)

I have: in my natal chart:

Mars at 24° 4’39" N (out of bounds) (6°47’46" Cancer 1st h)

Venus at 23°33’47" N (out of bounds) (12°33’51" Cancer 1st h)

Black Moon Lilith 24° 8’25" N (out of bounds) (1°24’42" Gemini 12th h)

Urania 24°22’54" N (out of bounds) (1° 4’55" Cancer 1st h)

Apollo 25°47’33" N (out of bounds) (26°25’29" Gemini 12th h)

Aphrodite 29°16’29" N (way out of bounds) (12°46’57" Cancer 1st h)

When planets are within one and one half degrees declination, they are either parallel or contra parallel.. (these are considered the hidden aspects which re inforce the themes of the charts) If you can see with my degrees most of these planets and asteroids are already in aspect to each other, but then Eros is contra-parallel my Venus/Mars conjunction/parallels (these include the Sun as well because the Sun is at 23° 6’ 5" N and in conjunct these planets in Cancer at 9 degrees.

One can interpret things as they wish but understand that its more "rare" when you find someone else who's declinations parallel the planets which are "out of bounds" so my theory is that its kind of special when two out of bound planets are the same declination, but also conjunct, in synastry, and sometimes that these don't "obey the rules" especially when it comes to attractions.

I take in account my case of my "husband", his Moon in Cancer at 6 degrees is at 26°45’ 4" N .

And I won't even begin to go on about my little boy with our Mars contra-parellel his at 23°45’38" S at 27 degrees Sagitarius (in the 5th house) I suspect he will be playing alot of not so funny practical jokes on me (and has already). We call him "Super Energy Boy".

His Eros is at 23°25’ 5" N contra parellel to his Mars (just like mine) (his Eros is in Taurus at roughly 22 degrees in the 10th house)

My biological daughter who I speak much of who I feel was wrongly dianosed with many "disorders" including but not limited to ADHD has Mercury in Capricorn at 10 degrees in the 7th house and at 24°57’41" S declination. My feeling is that although she has not had the environment where she could develop her special mental ablities and although I don't have Mercury out of bounds myself, maybe some cures for Mars out of bounds would help, such as physical activities to use up some of that energy and improve concentration, as opposed to playing video games to let off steam (although I think that its ok to play video games, but they must not replace the physical activities that all young people need)

Like my son she has Mars conjunct Vertex and in her 5th house ( but in Scorpio rather than Sag, so I believe she doesn't "joke around with things" as much as my son is as inclined to.

Her Eros is in Sag at 27°52’20" S delination (very out of bounds) and is in the 6th house 28°56’48 ALMOST 29 degrees Sag and this was conjunct Uranus and Saturn (remember those years) and opposite Chiron (in Gemini).

And I have to confess I get the feeling that romantic issues are going to be quite unusual, since she alreay shows that she is a person who has conflicts of closness and conflicts with needs for freedom already in romantic situations and stated that she gets bored with people rather fast, yet has also on the other hand experienced a massive amount of rejection too.

.......................

One thing I read that was kind of interesting about Venus out of bounds was that the person who has it has a "different value system"; I can say this, I never quite could get my head around the issues of "money" and "popular culture".. oh not that I can't understand it, its just that somethings often escape me, maybe I value different types of beauty.. or different types of "value".. not the same old thing (Venus quintile Uranus maybe??)

Is this true of other people with Venus out of bounds?

And never mind the energy of Mars out of bounds.. I recall sleeplessness as a child, when I really should have been running around the block.. just to get it out of my system, and another thing is the expression of Anger.. sometimes it can get out of hand if it hasn't got a better way of expressing itself...(Mars Quintile Pluto/ Mars Conjunct Sun)

...any observations in yourselves and loved ones?

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Natal Planets (and Asteroids) Out of Bounds... Jun 11, 2006 22:18:13 GMT

Post by Kim Falconer on Jun 11, 2006 22:18:13 GMT

Hello Everyone,

I don’t have time to comment more today, but here is what I have written into my Eros Reports on Out of Bounds declinations. There is also a link to a more extensive article by Pamela Welch. (written for the Mountain Astrologer in 2001)

Out-of-bounds planets are any that have a declination greater than 23 degrees 27’. The declination is the angular distance of a planet north or south of the celestial equator.

Out-of-Bounds simply means “outside of the boundary of the ecliptic”, or the path of the earth’s orbit around the sun. (This is the apparent path of the sun through the sky.) Because of the tilt of the earth’s axis, the sun appears to stay within 23 degrees 27’ north of the equator and 23 degrees 27’ south of the equator. Anything “outside” of that is considered “Out-of-bounds”.

What does it mean to have Eros beyond the ecliptic by declination?

We know that out-of-bounds personal planets in the natal chart act in more EXTREME ways. They are on the edge—beyond the boundary. They express beyond the normal parameters because their energy is excessive and zealous in nature. It is really “out there”.

“I've found that generally the higher the degree of declination, the more pronounced the effect of the out-of-bounds planet will be, whether this is expressed in terms of greater accomplishment for the native or in some type of abnormal behavior.” –Pamela Welch --For her complete article on Out-of-Bounds Declinations, Click here www.mandala.be/declination/pamela.htm

Out-of-bounds can be extreme creative expression, extreme passion, extreme delusion or extreme degradation. The operant word, of course, is extreme. Out-of-bounds does nothing in halves and when you have a body like Eros in the extreme, you can start to get the picture of what this might mean.

After all, Eros creates chaos at the best of times!

Eros flies over the earth and over the loud-roaring salt sea and bewitches the one on whose frenzied mind he darts, winged and gold-gleaming, he bewitches the whelps of the mountain and those of the sea, what the earth brings forth and what the blazing sun looks down upon, and likewise mortal men. --Euripides*

What might be that “bewitchment” when Eros knows no bounds?

As you might guess, people with an out-of-bounds planet tend to know no boundaries and accept no limits. Often there's no stopping them. This can result in boundless creativity and success, allowing the native to go way beyond the potential that one might normally expect. However, an out-of-bounds planet can also be negatively expressed, leading to abnormal or unstable behavior which is outside the accepted standards of society. Its energy can indicate a tendency toward mental one-sidedness or at the very least create a lot of pressure and stress in an individual's life. –Pamela Welch

Kim

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Natal Planets (and Asteroids) Out of Bounds... Jun 12, 2006 0:39:18 GMT

Post by jamma on Jun 12, 2006 0:39:18 GMT

Wow, I've never thought of myself as THAT extreme erotically (LOL) ... but my OOB Eros is conjunct my Sagittarius SN, so maybe I've got past life Eros energy to burn off!

...
The SN does have quite a pull, but I am trying to focus on NN activities ... luckily, Gem NN is conjunct two OOB asteroids -- Descartes at 28 deg 51' N and Aeternitas (symbolized by the ourobos) at 29 deg 29' N (I write, therefore, I'm immortal??) ...

Love the mystery of it all ...
j

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Natal Planets (and Asteroids) Out of Bounds... Jun 13, 2006 11:06:39 GMT

Post by svenskasfinx on Jun 13, 2006 11:06:39 GMT

jadeii said:

I went back into the Astro Win computer system and found "Declination Conversions" and was able to confirm the OOB in my chart. Anyway, as stated earlier, I have Mars OOB natally. This fits several things that have gone on in my life.

Progressed Venus is OOB but I feel I've always had a different value system from what I saw around me growing up. I could never understand why my Mom thought material things were important or why she needed to boast about the money my Dad had made (we weren't rich or anything.....still......). It was embarrassing as a kid.....

Like you Sven , my daughter has Venus and Mars OOB. Her Sun falls short of being OOB by only a fraction. And it is very prominant in her chart. She was born at 11:59 am, so high noon essentially and Sun on her MC.

But like you she's an artist (saw your website by the way......very nice!!) and a musician. I ran all her charts yesterday and told her to keep majoring in Art History, to get that under her belt and that she can always do artistic interests but that education is important.

Other interesting things going on with her. Like why she keeps attracting religious people into her life (and she has an issue with them which she just mentioned yesterday

. When she was 15 she was going to this religious youth group thing her friend went too......she got so mad at the teacher saying homosexuals will go to hell, she stayed after class and confronted him.

So maybe this is the Mars OOB coming out. Will have to check my youngest est Chart....

Jade

Mars does seem to show a "knack" for being brave in the face of conflict, even if NOT out of bounds but rather just highly placed - OUT of bounds would be expected by some to have "Mars" related problems, however I think because it behaves in a way one considers "different" the different result is sometimes "non violence" and extreme bravery in the face of what may seem "impossible".

I suppose the reason I got into so many "conflicts" as a child was because I confronted other students, the bullies, where as most didn't thus didn't get "beat up"... and yet still after many occasions of getting chased down after school, I still didn't "give in". I really believe now that THAT is Mars "out of bounds".. never giving up, never giving in.

Some people would like to say it was pure foolishness, but I disagree, to the point of saying one day to someone who threatened me "If it will make you feel better, I think you BETTER hit me" and then she did and in front of everyone, when I held back my tears, I said, "It didn't make you feel any better, did it?" and she CRIED.

When I told my grandmother she said "that was a stupid thing to do.. when people hit you, you should hit them back.." but then I said, "but then that just keeps the conflict going.., and then you hit them, they chase you, and it goes on.." I realized even then (unconsiously) that somewhere there has to be a way to END the conflicts...by NOT giving in..

Your daughter sounds brilliant, confronting the teacher after class!!! I like her already, good for her!!!

Brilliant post Jade!

be well everyone,

svenskasfinx

P.S. did I mention I was the smallist child in the school?

Last Edit: Jun 13, 2006 11:08:24 GMT by svenskasfinx

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Natal Planets (and Asteroids) Out of Bounds... Jun 13, 2006 14:07:28 GMT

Post by AquarianEssence on Jun 13, 2006 14:07:28 GMT

I also have Mars OOB at -27*23'. I have had to do a few courageous things especially in the last 10 years. I would add the word exceptional to the adjectives for OOB. Often the person can perform ubove average. I have Mars in the 5th in Capricorn and have produced 7 sons, all exceptional in their own ways.

My husband has Ceres OOB at 29*20' in the early degrees of Cancer. He is such a nurturning man, especially for an Aries. A negative manifestation of this: he, during our early days together while my very hostile divorce was still being dragged out, made the comment to my adult son that my youngest was so cute he could just kiss him up one side and down the other. Well, the next thing you know protective services showed up. He was accused of sexualy molesting my son and I was accused of failing to protect. Of course it went no where. Not sure if it was my son or ex that called them. They wouldn't say. He is a wonderful nurturning father, step father and husband.

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